http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:08:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21507 Jason T Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:22:48 +0000 http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21507 I meant to write a comment here, but my usual long-winded fashion demanded <a href="http://www.geekstudies.org/2008/03/the-motivations-and-problems-behind-geek-media-activism" rel="nofollow">a complete post</a> in response. Long story short: I'm not saying we should change a whole medium to make its entire output appropriate for non-geeks, just that a more diverse medium is good for everybody. I meant to write a comment here, but my usual long-winded fashion demanded a complete post in response. Long story short: I’m not saying we should change a whole medium to make its entire output appropriate for non-geeks, just that a more diverse medium is good for everybody.

]]> http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21506 Geek Studies » Blog Archive » The Motivations and Problems Behind Geek-Media Activism Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:19:43 +0000 http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21506 [...] You might recall that I wrote a recent post about the oft-heard question of whether geeky media, like comics and video games, would ever “grow up.” In it, I suggested that video games and comics can be promoted as “adult” (or at least “not juvenile”) through concerted creative and marketing efforts. Matt S. has an interesting post up in response which asks a fair question: Why bother? Geek-friendly media clearly have relevance for geeks, and trying to make these products palatable to “high-culture” interests runs the risk of ruining what actually works about them. I started writing a comment for his blog, but it got so long that I figured I should just put it here as another post. [...] [...] You might recall that I wrote a recent post about the oft-heard question of whether geeky media, like comics and video games, would ever “grow up.” In it, I suggested that video games and comics can be promoted as “adult” (or at least “not juvenile”) through concerted creative and marketing efforts. Matt S. has an interesting post up in response which asks a fair question: Why bother? Geek-friendly media clearly have relevance for geeks, and trying to make these products palatable to “high-culture” interests runs the risk of ruining what actually works about them. I started writing a comment for his blog, but it got so long that I figured I should just put it here as another post. [...]

]]> http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21472 Z. Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:08:53 +0000 http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21472 Well said, Matt. I think that it is far too easy to assume that mass appeal = legitimacy. When, in fact, mass appeal often comes at the expense of creativity and artistic expression. (See lowest common denominator pop music for countless examples.) This I why I prefer to see the manifestations of geek culture as functional: what do they provide us as geeks and why are they important within our microcosm? But then again, with Jason coming from a purely academic standpoint, I’m sure he qualifies his views a good bit differently. Well said, Matt. I think that it is far too easy to assume that mass appeal = legitimacy. When, in fact, mass appeal often comes at the expense of creativity and artistic expression. (See lowest common denominator pop music for countless examples.) This I why I prefer to see the manifestations of geek culture as functional: what do they provide us as geeks and why are they important within our microcosm? But then again, with Jason coming from a purely academic standpoint, I’m sure he qualifies his views a good bit differently.

]]> http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21467 ChurchHatesTucker Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:04:43 +0000 http://tsuibhne.net/2008/03/15/real-art/#comment-21467 Interesting take, Matt. And as I've said on JT's blog, I think we've already had the Citizen Kane of games in the Marathon games. The rest is just refinement. Interesting take, Matt. And as I’ve said on JT’s blog, I think we’ve already had the Citizen Kane of games in the Marathon games. The rest is just refinement.

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